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Post by TheAusGamingGuy on Jul 18, 2018 7:13:30 GMT
So two years back when the old forums were around, I created a Journey Wiki that was meant to be separate from the more "official" Journey wiki (The official one is this one: journey.wikia.com/wiki/Journey_Wiki ), with the one I created being something more with fan stuff included, such as information on the various glitches, tricks, out of bounds information, terminology, fan theories, analysis, and so much other fan stuff. Unfortunately though it never quite got very far, but still has a few pages, especially with the thanks of old forum member being Ruthalas (Though I, unfortunately, am not sure they know about the new Forum or Discord that was set up sadly, hopefully, they may rejoin, but understandable if not. ), so I was thinking now that the new forum is here, as well as the Discord, I would bring it back up and see if anyone would like to help get involved with building it up again, would be absolutely to help with learning the ropes of how editing and how working with these work. Hopefully it'll slowly build up, and we can share the interesting things that can be done in Journey, and ad some of our own fan stuff as well. We'll hopefully keep the old wiki the more official one if Journey folk just want baseline Journey stuff, while this wiki shall expand and go a bit wilder, or so to say. XD
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Post by aravshetikolava on Jul 23, 2018 10:47:43 GMT
This is a great idea, Aus! And i wrote a draft of an article, but.. The site looked very inviting while i was with AdBlock, but i checked it without one and it was pretty scary, because ads were not really allowing to concentrate on the text. I remember that when one year ago we wanted to create a Wiki for glitches - we didn't use the Wikia web site because of all the ads. The idea of wiki still sounds interesting though, but the wikia page is... uhhh... doesn't look all that pretty I wish there was a site that looked more simple
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Post by TheAusGamingGuy on Jul 23, 2018 12:33:06 GMT
True point Ava, it is pretty unfortunate about Wikia, I may have to look into some known alternative, though I'm still concerned some others are still ad heavy. If you can link the alt wiki site to use, I'll happily give it a try, and if anyone has any other suggestions, I'll happily have a look and see what I can do. Need to make it as pleasant as possible and so people don't get bombarded with annoying ads.
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Post by aravshetikolava on Aug 3, 2018 3:25:13 GMT
I was thinking about the wiki, and i thought that... The main upside of any Wiki web site is that it has directories that allow easy finding any page or material it has. And another plus of a wiki is that it can be edited by many contributors. I thought if it's possible to do it mainly within the forum. We have the Glossary, right? Can some/every word in the glossary be the hyperlink to an article assigned to it? If we build it like this, then we can maybe not rely entirely on a wiki site, but just find any site that lets people edit documents and add images to the text documents and such? Pros: - No ads - Easily accessed from the forum - Easy to find articles (maybe..) Cons: - It can become messy - It's possible that some people won't agree to edit their post to add the link to an article - Unprotected text files can be vandalized - This might lack the structure that wiki articles have to have This is just an idea, maybe it's possible to do something with it to make it have more pros and less cons, or maybe it won't really work, i don't know
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Post by TheAusGamingGuy on Aug 9, 2018 6:40:43 GMT
I apologise for the lateness in response, just been busy with IRL stuff.
The forums here may be a good option to consider Ava, will still investigate for other wikis.
Could even use a combination of both a wiki and the forums here to help, we'll have to see, but you make goods points either way Ava.
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lirewu
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Post by lirewu on Aug 19, 2018 14:08:36 GMT
i d vote for a wiki. its so easy to make categories and crosslinking. it will also help us to just send one link of an article to someone asking specific questions... i understand the problem with the ads, i am an adblock user too. as soon as we decided for a wiki, give me a task and i ll e.x. copy paste and make articels of the glossary. starting a matrix on what we need catergory wise ands stuff should also be on a list D:
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Post by TheAusGamingGuy on Aug 20, 2018 9:32:00 GMT
Indeed, Lirewu, it'll be good to keep at least one site to be our wiki, but certainly will keep in consideration of Ava's suggestion of the forum here being another part, but we shall see in the end. I shall try my best to provide tasks to do, but I may need someone to handle it more often, since I am currently busy with IRL stuff unfortunately, but still have free time to do stuff with the Journey Community, though either way, thank you for the support as well Lirewu.
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Post by TheAusGamingGuy on Aug 20, 2018 10:09:28 GMT
I think I've found a few contenders for possible wiki alternative wiki outlets from Wikia or so, currently, these wiki alternatives I feel may work include with links (Each is of a random game to represent the design best, so should help show the customisation for them): Fextralife: darksouls.wiki.fextralife.com/Dark+Souls+Wiki I'm unsure how exactly one can create their own wiki, and if it requires some sort of process, judging how this seems way more official and better moderated, but still an option. Wikidot: darksouls.wikidot.com/Yes, I know, another use of Dark Souls as an example, but it was surprisingly the only game WikiDot example I could find (Think the SCP Wiki uses Wikidot as well, so that could be an example for anyone who's curious. www.scp-wiki.net/ ). This one might be my least favourite option cause of lack of customisation and colour, but there might be admin tools within it. Gamepedia: dota2.gamepedia.com/Dota_2_WikiThis option I kinda like the most since its straightforward in design and looks nice, but not sure if it's appropriate for a Journey wiki, who knows. So far those are the three options I feel might be a good alternative to us, would like to do a poll but I don't think it's possible once a thread has already been established, but oh well, heh, maybe will hear what some people say and see whichever is better. Please go ahead and have a test with each of the wikis and see whichever works best for ya and looks the best. Thank you in advance.
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Post by TheAusGamingGuy on Aug 20, 2018 14:42:47 GMT
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Post by aravshetikolava on Aug 22, 2018 7:44:31 GMT
Whoa i really like gamepedia, looks clean and beautiful and seemingly allows a lot of customisation! Great find, Aus!
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Post by TheAusGamingGuy on Aug 24, 2018 12:03:56 GMT
Whoa i really like gamepedia, looks clean and beautiful and seemingly allows a lot of customisation! Great find, Aus! Neato, well so far with the votes its two to Gamepedia, and one to Fextralife. I'll give it some more time and hear more people just in case, especially wanna avoid technical problems, make it as satisfying for folks as possible.
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lirewu
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Post by lirewu on Aug 26, 2018 14:50:55 GMT
Further thoughts for the wiki: How do you we want to handle the glitches/spoilers section? Access:
Just keep everything open and readable for everyone? Like an article about WMs and in the table of content we have a section "glitches", explaining or linking to "possible WM glitches"?
OR: if possible, only registered wiki users are allowed to enter certain articles?
OR: if possible, put everything thats not normal gameplay/spoilers into spoiler tags (the one that you extra have to click, to read).
Categories: What do you say? Keep all the glitch stuff completly separated, as its own category/part of the wiki or put glitch infos and links into the article of the creature/level?
Like mentioned above, put it in table of content, so you ready about pink desert and last part is about the glitch and a link to a YT vid. for example?
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Post by TheAusGamingGuy on Aug 27, 2018 16:06:25 GMT
Further thoughts for the wiki: How do you we want to handle the glitches/spoilers section? Access:
Just keep everything open and readable for everyone? Like an article about WMs and in the table of content we have a section "glitches", explaining or linking to "possible WM glitches"?
OR: if possible, only registered wiki users are allowed to enter certain articles?
OR: if possible, put everything thats not normal gameplay/spoilers into spoiler tags (the one that you extra have to click, to read).
Categories: What do you say? Keep all the glitch stuff completly separated, as its own category/part of the wiki or put glitch infos and links into the article of the creature/level?
Like mentioned above, put it in table of content, so you ready about pink desert and last part is about the glitch and a link to a YT vid. for example?
I say we keep the glitches and spoilers open for the public and just have to add a mention of "potential spoilers" and "glitch stuff", and the only times I think articles may be locked away to members only are I guess stuff important to moderation, but as for everything else, it should be free for everyone to view. As for categories, I would say that may have to be something we would have to see over through time, some glitch stuff may be left as their own section on the same page as the related thing its talked about, and some may need their own page, especially if they've got tonnes of info. But that's just me, and may change as we progress on this wiki, we'll have to say. Need to hear what others say.
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lirewu
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Post by lirewu on Aug 27, 2018 16:18:18 GMT
I agree too, with the "everything should be open". The thought was, if one extra step is needed to see glitch-stuff, we dont need spoiler alerts everywhere. Also wasnt sure, if the - uh - elders? are ok with just making everything open. But if i understand you right, we shouldnt care too much about journey-"noobs" running into info thats far beyond their experience/abilities. One/Two intro pages explaining about the dangers of destroying your own experience should be enough warning. "enter at your own risk" :D Personally i d say, a plan in advance might save some work later. Yes ofc we can start articles etc. but it will be a pain in the a. to change an existing matrix.
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Post by TheAusGamingGuy on Aug 27, 2018 17:09:57 GMT
Ah yes, I understand what you mean by the idea of an extra step, though personally IMO when it comes to glitches, it shouldn't necessarily be a thing to keep to oneself, especially if it is a glitch, though that's not to be harsh or negative to anyone, just what I feel when it comes to glitches, which leads into the part of mentioning with Noobs, which is something is more of a "take it at your own risk" circumstance, and if anything, it would be highly beneficial to allow for Noobs to openly look at these things since it provides inspiration and possibilities to take up the chance of adding stuff. :D
Definitely should put maybe a sort of scale to show difficulty, but definitely avoid gatekeeping, since it would go against the very philosophy that TGC established for Journey, and I feel it is our duty to maintain that with sharing of the information and allow for expansion of the community with experienced plays (Apologies if I sound dramatic there. XD). ^_^
Non-the-less, articles should definitely be planned and started before getting released to the public, to the point they at least have a base structure and description, that way it gives people a gist of what the article entails, and can quickly learn and potentially add in future to the wiki. :)
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