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Post by TheAusGamingGuy on Aug 31, 2018 17:14:03 GMT
So after some time, I think the final vote is set and we'll be going with Gamepedia as the replacement. I'll have to see what needs to be done, and I'll inform folks when it's up and running. Thank you for voting everyone.
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Post by lirewu on Sept 2, 2018 14:28:23 GMT
DOCUMENT TO GATHER LINKS TO PICTURES FOR THE WIKI!! if you want to support, just edit the dokument and eventually comment in this thread about updates :)
i think its pretty important to keep the source link for the wiki.
concerning pics i thought, maybe its best/fastest/easiest, if someone does 1-2 journeys and takes screenshots? pictures for levels are easy to find, but pictures about certain places (gary and larry ) will need a long search. or if someone already has got pics of glitches, creaturs, places: i think imgur is a good platform to collect them?
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Post by TheAusGamingGuy on Sept 4, 2018 10:39:00 GMT
Works well Lirewu, managed to access the Doc and have editing privileges. Linking sources do definitely come in handy and avoid copyright concerns. That sounds good, can probably extract the screenshots that are supplied by the collector's edition, which includes concept art as well. I have the collection so I can probably supply them at a later occasion. As for certain locations, like glitches and whatnot, they'll need to be either scavenged from the internet or if certain users have them. Imgur may be the best place for this, especially since you can create albums for photos.
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Post by lirewu on Sept 4, 2018 11:27:54 GMT
That sounds good, can probably extract the screenshots that are supplied by the collector's edition That will look great, some of the pictures are not best quality. Just recognised: when you stream on PS4 the video is then on Twitch and you can export it?! Thats how i thought we can fast and easy make specific "instruction videos".
Many special places are hard to describe in words. Good that we already have a good basis with videos about glitches :)
Also thought about a "difficulty meter" for all sorts of things. The idea is to put it in the summary of an article in the Wiki. So we can have faceplant (*), capture the WM \o/, visit whale in whale room **-***:
* firstrun RR ** 2-3 journey, knows the map and some triggers (like when sliding starts, attack of first WM...), Tandemflying?!
*** 5-10 WR, should know the symbols, faceplant?, ancestor, dry climbing tower; start with fancy flying and oob
**** start with fancy flying and oob, visit nick, knows to chargeboost, diveboost ?! ***** manages most flying techniques, knows most common places in oob
\o/ --> ancestor level, knows oob very good, inclusive triggers and such. all kinds of flying to mastery, likes to play around everywhere, they mountain is not the aim anymore :)
Id like to have a "things to do in journey"/additional achievements(challenges) category. If you are still discovering journey, you can pick a random article and see what you can try next. according to your level (with that difficulty meter).
Thoughts? ^^ P.s. thx aus, for the feedback! cool cool, then everyone can expand it
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Post by KatOnPlastik on Sept 4, 2018 17:38:49 GMT
Id like to have a "things to do in journey"/additional achievements(challenges) category. If you are still discovering journey, you can pick a random article and see what you can try next. according to your level (with that difficulty meter).
Thoughts? ^^ P.s. thx aus, for the feedback! cool cool, then everyone can expand it
Yeah, I like it! :D Thank you tagg & lirewu for moving forward that wiki idea so passionately. I am not quite sure though how useful a difficulty meter could be and if there ever would be a good way to generalize categories. I feel it maybe depends too much on personal ratings. At least I think that 3 levels could be enough (no/basic/advanced fancy flying). ???
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Post by lirewu on Sept 4, 2018 19:47:38 GMT
the diff meter is more meant for this "summary section" that many wiki articles have at the right top side. Like basic data about that country you are looking up. The idea behind it is, to be able to see if you are ready for whatever the article is about. The oob at the first endtower of pd (easy to go in and rather easy to go out, tiny glitch). That would get 1-2 stars. the pd glitch 10 stars xd. charge boosting maybe 2, infinite boosting 3-4... I agree that 5 might be too much :D basic would include knowing some entrances of glitches? There are 2 big things: flying and oob that require skill and XP. And yes, the problem will be to put them into categories, because not everyone makes progress in the same way. So the question: what comes first normally? for me it was FP, BB glitch, charge boosting, other oob, diveb. I mean, can we figure out a general learning path that ppl go? When you know some areas oob, you probably know how to charge and diveboost? Diff-Meter: to - look if this is possible for me to do and/or - if this is something to show others. I think, you experienced guys can decide if something is ok to show a first run. Then we have stuff to show RR in general (ofc depending on their behavoir). Then WR category, no boundaries. I d still have 4 stars or whatever. Like there are WR and the OTHER WR :D Sorry for the long text :D
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Post by TheAusGamingGuy on Sept 5, 2018 13:27:07 GMT
Progress is certainly coming together immensely well, thank you for the support KatOnPlastik. Pictures certainly aren't the best of quality, so some may require for to either be done via that method that you mentioned of using exported Twitch Streams, or we can take photos we've saved on the PS4 hard drive that we take with the inbuilt camera and get a USB and save them to a PC where we can upload them from there, both ways work well and up to whoever wants to upload screens. Exported streams to be used for instructional videos work great as well, especially from a series of streams various folks may produce and provide commentary for it all, it's a great idea Lirewu. A difficulty meter is a perfect idea, stars or a bar of sorts can help, and there are a few ways it could be decided upon how the difficulties work, depending on how we set up, it could be a public voting system that appears on the article that people can engage with, which may not be 100% reliable, but ya get a vote for whoever encounters it so there's high engagement, or we can go with the opinion of people who probably recently did it and many of the experienced players opinions. A way of measurement I can't say what I prefer currently, but a decision should be finalised when the wiki is made, got a lot of factors to think about as Lirewu pointed out. As for the "things to do in Journey" idea, that would actually be really fun, and I reckon if possible to embed into the wiki, a sort of randomiser for things to do that links you to an article and thing you can attempt, otherwise we could just have a page of listed suggestions of what to do that either link to articles and/or just suggested by folks for things to do, sharing ideas and all, would be brilliant.
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Post by KatOnPlastik on Sept 6, 2018 8:38:41 GMT
the diff meter is more meant for this "summary section" that many wiki articles have at the right top side. Like basic data about that country you are looking up. The idea behind it is, to be able to see if you are ready for whatever the article is about. The oob at the first endtower of pd (easy to go in and rather easy to go out, tiny glitch). That would get 1-2 stars. the pd glitch 10 stars xd. charge boosting maybe 2, infinite boosting 3-4... Diff-Meter: to - look if this is possible for me to do and/or - if this is something to show others. I think, you experienced guys can decide if something is ok to show a first run. Then we have stuff to show RR in general (ofc depending on their behavoir). Then WR category, no boundaries. I d still have 4 stars or whatever. Like there are WR and the OTHER WR :D Sorry for the long text :D Ah ok, I get your point now, lirewu. I thought about the difficulty-meter more as a scale just showing up the minmum requirements for doing something. Like 'recommended to try when you can do at least 'xy''. Then to me the biggest obstacles would be the flying skills, while the knowledge of areas e.g. increases naturally during the process of trying sth. But I see... when it comes up to show to companions, it would be helpful to already know where to go. ;) ---- I think a voting option would be great, tagg. Could be interesting to compare the outcome with own ratings. Question: Would it be necessary to have different ratings for ps3 and 4? Or is it just the graphics that changed? I think I once heard about Oob entrances closed, but to be honest I just don't know.
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Post by TheAusGamingGuy on Sept 6, 2018 14:18:27 GMT
Question: Would it be necessary to have different ratings for ps3 and 4? Or is it just the graphics that changed? I think I once heard about Oob entrances closed, but to be honest I just don't know. I would honestly say a rating to represent respective consoles would be necessary, since there're some oddities about each game that slightly effect the tricks, but I'm not 100% sure, and certain experts may need to be asked about them.
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Post by lirewu on Sept 6, 2018 19:48:06 GMT
that is/was my first thought too. i dont get the misunderstanding :) but it can be used for other rating too.
@aus: if that voting for difficulty would work, that d be great :o i am totally for it!! Pictures: we can use low quality pics to a certain point, because on wiki you just need a small pic, not a wallpaper.
random: i just know the "random of the whole wiki" thing, but hoped there would be an option to make a pool of articles for an extra random :) list with links will work too.
i really dont know how a wiki and the "all together edit" thing works in reality. but i d be happy, if new/old player create new articles for "what to do in journey".
that brings up another question: are we all then responsible for correction-reading new articles?? :o and deleting eventual troll/wrong stuff. oh my, even more work :D
@ps3 and 4: didnt really thought about that yet. how to organise, lets say a glitch that is mostly the same in ps3/4 --> one article and a paragraph pointing out differences. But then we also have ps3 or ps4 only things, where nothing is the same.
First thought would be, we just make different articles for the versions, allthough they might have 80 % text in common.
or even a separate section in the wiki? like a wiki for part1 and part2 of a game. hmhmhm
It would be nice to be able to avoid that people slip into a wrong version article and try something thats not possible on their console
i start regretting wishing for a wiki xd
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Post by TheAusGamingGuy on Sept 7, 2018 13:11:51 GMT
@aus: if that voting for difficulty would work, that d be great :o i am totally for it!! Yep, as I said thoughh it'll depend on the capbaility of this wiki service and if it'll work. Still haven't gotten a response from the host but we'll hopefully get one soon.
Potentially, though some users may wish to open up the images via a separate tab, so at least get a decent quality image so far, though definitely won't need a wallpaper image (Besides for background images for the wiki in general. ).
That would work as well, a pull of articles might be better, just depends on the capability of the service.
I would say it may be best to have one article of a list for people to actively suggest and activities to do in Journey since multiple articles may be too much for the wiki but will be fine to allow at least anyone to add, and just have to moderate it.
It certainly is a lot of work, makes ya wonder how much work Wikipedia has to do with their teams. I'd say as for how pages can be fixed up, adding, editing and proofreading should be something for free to anyone to do, but as mods we can have the ability to accept new pages that can be created, and lock and/or delete pages in case of trolls or so messing with the wiki and/or pages.
That's perfect Lirewu and exactly what I was think, having one article and just noting slight differences, and having either separate tabs or pages for when there are strong variations of stuff on the different consoles, though I feel that'll be a rare thing, and if so, we can make categories of articles that have a strong difference between console versions (I.e. Chargeboosting (PS3) and Chargeboosting (PS4).), should work well, won't need to make whole new sections or parts all the time.
Certainly, this can seem like a bit much to do, but I reckon one of the hardest parts will be getting this set up at first and trying to figure this stuff out first, but once things are in order and we get this fully rolling, it'll be all good and ready to, and it'll certainly be a satisfying achievement, ya doing an awesome job with the contributions Lirewu, thank you so much.
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Post by TheAusGamingGuy on Oct 1, 2018 3:54:12 GMT
Providing an update on wiki status, I, unfortunately have yet to get a response from the Gamepedia folk, and it may be unlikely for us to create a wiki there, so fall back plan will be needed.
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Post by lirewu on Nov 10, 2018 17:00:28 GMT
UPDATE: got reply from them!! gamepedia ""The existing Journey wiki on a competing platform is at journey.wikia.com/wiki/Journey You sound very passionate about creating a wiki about Journey so we would be happy to have you on Gamepedia if you are still interested! Just let me know What is your Gamepedia username? Once we have that we'll work on setting an initial wiki up for you and your community to get started! Thanks, " I wrote it also in discord channel. I d go with gamepedia (for reasons). What do you say guys? I d like to answer them within next week.. :) And i am not sure if i should be the main person, they talk to. Seems they would give me some info and links for starting.
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Post by TheAusGamingGuy on Nov 14, 2018 3:38:18 GMT
I can likely help with this, even though I've been quite absent from Journey folks (Which I do apologise for. ), but I'm willing to help get it set up and going for folks.
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Post by lirewu on Nov 23, 2018 1:21:15 GMT
Pre-Announcement:
I said i will do the ground work, so i would appreciate to be contacted by anyone who would like to edit stuff :) Not that we start working across each other
Next week i will checkout the wiki itself and how to organise it. The Gamepedia-person responsible for us, would like to be invited into the discord channel. I will do this next week too i guess. And we should think about which persons should be "responsible" for the wiki-editing. Meaning checking from time to time, if the info there is correct, approving it and be the last deciding part on names for example. Should be the most experienced players... any interested or volunteering? This will become important in some weeks the earliest though.
so here too the "table of content" lets say a brainstorm and document also for me to not confuse myself or forget about something. I know its a lot of text, i d enjoy some feedback, questions or critique (if something seems nonsense or should be done differently etc.).
The nature of a wiki is to slowly grow through the community creating content over time. There is no hurry, our advantage is, that we already have many describtions and videos etc. We have alot, that we just need to "copy paste" almost. :)
EXCITEMENT GUYS!!!
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